The professional stars are aligning for our fumbling gang, with Adam nailing an audition for Broadway and Hannah barging into Patti LuPone's rehearsal in order to make her (advertorial) deadline. Meanwhile, Marnie gets dumped (again?!) and Jessa gets thrown way off the wagon -- and it all converges in a comped suite at the Gramercy Park Hotel.
Pret-a-Reporter editor Erin Weinger returns from the Polar Vortex for this week's installment, rejoining fellow podcasters Jessie Katz, Rebecca Sun and Brandon Kirby to unpack Girls' eighth episode, "Incidentals."
Below, find the transcript and full audio of this week's podcast, episode four of Girls on Girls (+ One Guy):
Erin Weinger: I've been away in the arctic hell that was New York Fashion Week, but I'm very happy to be back in the sunlight, discussing Girls. We’re talking about episode eight, “Incidentals,” where people got jobs, people might lose them soon, people broke up, people had intimate moments -- a lot went down this episode. Let's start with friendship.
Rebecca Sun: It was interesting because last week, “Beach House,” when everybody took a break from their normal lives, was really about the explosion, and now it's the fallout from the big four-way fight they had last week. I thought Hannah was really our Friendship Up for this week. She knows Marnie really well. Marnie storms into the hotel room in a huff, Hannah says something along the lines of, "I have to go see what I'm in trouble for now.” It’s the kind of things husbands say all the time when their wives are pissed. What's great is Marnie obviously can't tell anybody she's been with Ray, and she won't tell Hannah, but Hannah accepts that and gives a silent embrace. It seemed to really do the trick for Marnie.
Jessie Katz: We haven't seen a friend moment like that this entire season, and the hallmark of season one was Hannah and Marnie doing the Robyn dance; that was a seminal friendship moment. Season two, Hannah and Jessa in the bathtub. This wasn't of that caliber, but we're getting back to some intimacy among the girls.
Brandon Kirby: I thought “Beach House” wasn't going to have an effect on future episodes, but now I'm thinking it did have an impact for their friendship in the future.
JK: A lot of thinkpieces have been published on last week's episode, and a lot of people wondered if this season was about the breaking up of the friendships. But then in this episode …
BK: They're back.
JK: They're well on their way to normalcy.
RS: Just like when bones break, they grow back stronger, and sometimes you need to break a lot of the old habits when you were all more immature and self-absorbed, and lay all that hurt out on the table, so you can mend in a more mature way.
EW: I think also this show has always prided itself on being very realistic and showing relationships as they are. I remember being in college watching Sex and the City and thinking to myself, "This isn't how friendship is. These women aren't together all the time!" I didn't think it was a realistic portrayal of women's friendship, but now being almost 30 and watching this group of friends in their 20s, this is life when you are done with school and move to a city and have a boyfriend. Your friends are a very important part of your life, but there are other things that come in. They're doing a realistic job of capturing that this season.
JK: I'm not sure what the point was, then, of the previous episode because all the behavior that drove them apart is still on display here. If they're not changing, then what was the point of having it all explode?
BK: Maybe it was just them accepting each other, and they don't have to change.
RS: That would be truly unrealistic if everything could be completely resolved in the course of one weekend. When those four people are in the room, those things will probably come up again. They're recurring things, but the best you can hope for is you've taken two steps forward and one step back.
EW: Or maybe they just wanted to come to Hannah's nice room at the Gramercy, which brings us to our next point on the list: Friendship Down.
JK: It's always a bummer, but we gotta talk about it.
EW: I'm not sure of his name -- I'm going to call him The Enabler.
JK: Played by Richard E. Grant.
EW: Jasper is Jessa's little friend from rehab who pines for her. He happened to show up at her shop.
RS: He looked for her. He sought her out.
JK: He found Shoshanna first.
RS: He was throwing rocks at the window, and a small puppet popped out head and said, "Are you here to rape me?"
JK: Didn't even have to say who it was.
RS: Shoshanna's best line.
JK: And she wasn't even here to say it.
EW: That's what I always ask.
JK: You should always ask a stranger that before moving forward.
EW: That's what I saying on the subway in New York. “Don't touch me.” Yeah, The Enabler showed up, and boy did he enable.
JK: He threw her off that wagon.
EW: The wagon is destroyed in the corner, and these people are …
EW: They're partying, doing blow all over the Gramercy Park Hotel.
JK: How amazing, though, is that scene of him and Shoshanna talking about higher education, and they both seemed coked out of their minds, but it's just Shosh being Shosh.
RS: That was a really great character pin for Shoshanna. She's basically a sober cokehead. I also liked the little understatement where Jessa and The Enabler burst in, and Hannah just takes a beat and says, "So maybe we shouldn't have taken her out of rehab."
BK: Adam was right.
EW: It's upsetting to see her back to her old ways with this enabler. Friendship Down: Peer pressure.
RS: Season was right! You should fake your own death, so your enabler can never find you.
EW: Season's always right. In a brownstone, Season can just not be wrong. I'd like some advice from her on how to buy real estate. This brings us to finance, because a very pivotal part of the episode was spent in a beautiful hotel suite at a beautiful Manhattan hotel, and these people we're dealing with are kind of broke, so how are they there? From Hannah's job. She got comped a night in a beautiful hotel and got her first paycheck, about which she promptly responded, "Wow, this is a lot more than my rent!" That's exciting for her. She could possibly be a Finance Up, but we also had another moment this episode.
JK: Adam snagged his first Broadway role.
BK: But Patti LuPone had some words to say about it.
JK: She's a seasoned lady of the stage, and she told Hannah that Adam's going to fuck everything in the building.
BK: So maybe Fornication Down if that ever does happen, but right now Finance Up for Adam for landing such a gig.
RS: You know what I loved? That little scene where he stuffs an entire sheet of paper towel in his mouth so he can scream and express how excited he is, and there was something very endearing about the fact that he doesn't want anybody to see that giddiness.
JK: He never cared about anything that much, except for Hannah.
RS: His passion is so beautiful to see.
EW: Even right after that, when he met his fellow thespian out on the road. Their dialogue was, "Hey," "Hey," "So I got the part," "Yeah, me too," "Want a ride home?"
JK: Which I feel like in guy code is Friendship Up.
EW: That's like, "We are so excited we don't know what to do!" That's some genuine excitement. It's cute.
RS: I thought where Adam's story was leading up to this season was his total lack of ambition: What does he do all day except make weird stuff out of wood? I thought that was going to come to a head, where Hannah would feel she's too successful for Adam. Having this big break is really cool. I also love that moment at the end when he starts performing some lines for Hannah. You can see -- this is obviously a testament to Adam Driver -- he's a really good actor. He can totally adopt a different persona and voice.
JK: I immediately thought, OK, we're going to see Adam Driver on Broadway. That's what this means.
BK: I'm excited.
RS: It shows that Adam is talented. He's good at what he does. As fumbling as we've seen them in this series, they’re starting to pull themselves together.
BK: I've been enjoying this season because we've seen them become professionals in the work world. Hannah at GQ and now Adam with this Broadway stuff, and it begs the question: Are they actually becoming adults?
EW: I think from the age of 25 to 30 is when you really, really become an adult.
JK: We have seen Adam in a play before.
BK: Yeah, that was a little thing. He was always good.
JK: He had a monologue in that, which gave me goosebumps. But then he dropped out because he didn't like the direction he was getting.
BK: Yeah, he's always been good, and apparently Hannah's always been good. It's great to finally see them have the professional, career-oriented outlets to be good, and we finally see their skills. The boss for Hannah at GQ obviously has faith enough in her to send her on a Patti LuPone interview and to do a write-up on the Gramercy.
RS: Speaking of Hannah, then, we should debate on where she falls on the finance spectrum this week. It started with her getting stood up by Patti LuPone. We're all journalists; we've been canceled on before.
EW: We have.
RS: What do you think of that move she pulled in terms of finding out from the publicist where she was?
BK: I was expecting total trainwreck, but it worked out.
EW: I respect it. I think as a decent journalist that's what you do. You get your story however you need to. Whether it's camping out in a locker room for a week to get a quote, or finding your subject.
JK: I think it's totally insane and unrealistic that Hannah actually did that.
BK: It's not that crazy.
EW: Maybe I'm insane and unrealistic.
JK: It's Patti LuPone! Who is Hannah? Like, she just got this job. And that Patti LuPone would be OK with it?
EW: That's the kind of chutzpah that takes you from being an advertorial writer at GQ to running your industry one day. I just think you have to be a crazy person. I have done some crazy things in my day to get stories.
JK: But she literally interrupted her rehearsal. That is the height of Hannah's narcissism.
EW: She should've stood and waited, maybe.
JK: That's all I'm asking for. It's Patti LuPone. Respect.
EW: I almost chased Manny Ramirez into a toilet once.
JK: I totally respect that.
RS: I respect that because I'm assuming that you were chasing him for a story that wasn't an advertorial for osteoporosis medicine.
EW: It was for The Los Angeles Times, and he showed up in L.A. with his dreads and his baggy pants, and I needed some quotes. He wasn't pleased with talking to us, so I kept harassing and trying to talk to him, and it ended up with me almost in the bathroom with him.
RS: That's awesome.
JK: Hannah is your spirit animal.
EW: Well, according to Buzzfeed, Marnie is my spirit animal.
BK: We do have a Hannah among us.
RS: Shut up! I'm never admitting it, although I did share the results on Twitter.
JK: Well then it's written in a bible.
EW: It's official.
RS: I'm going to jump off a balcony.
EW: So, Hannah has money now.
RS: And also, she's good at what she does. The context is all wrong; she's doing it for an advertorial. She and Patti LuPone completely concocted this advertorial. If we maybe take her out of the realm of being an actual journalist, she's good, she's creative and knows how the story should read.
EW: I really loved the scene where she got her first paycheck, walked down the street and bought a dress. I say this as a girl who does not have a pot to piss in and shit, because I've been working a long-ass time, but there is no better feeling. I still remember the amount of my very first paycheck and what I bought. I feel like there is no better feeling than that moment when you're like, "I'm on my way, here. I'm independent."
RS: Whereas I disagreed with you about barging in on the interview, in this case, I actually feel that was OK because it was a survivable splurge in the sense that it wasn't going to break the bank or ruin her for it.
JK: She's sharing a one-bedroom. Or, no, a two-bedroom. Caroline's room.
EW: You're so sour about Caroline.
JK: Maybe that's why I'm so angry with Hannah, because she made Caroline go away.
RS: Let's move down the Finance ladder. The Down is …
BK: Jessa! She's stealing money from her baby clothes shop.
RS: To buy cocaine.
EW: That's pretty low. That's almost akin to making your dad wait in the car while you go do a drug deal.
RS: Even before she broke into her own employer's establishment, I was already thinking of her for a Down because she was so bored at her job.
BK: Yeah, hanging a baby with a scarf.
EW: Oh, the noose!
RS: This is why I really do blame The Enabler. She really was holding on as hard as she could to this normal stage, trying to be an adult.
BK: I love when she's begging the UPS guy to stay. "I'm so bored!"
RS: It was hilarious but heartbreakingly realistic in the sense that the wrong person in your life can shatter everything you worked so hard to build. So that's a Finance Down for Jessa. Shall we go to Fashion? I nominated for Fashion Down, Jessa's Morticia Addams ensemble. She works at a bright and cheery baby clothes store, and she's wearing a deep-V black gown with a black scarf choker around her neck.
JK: A Victorian mourning gown.
RS: Maybe that's why there are no customers in the store!
JK: Because Elvira is selling baby clothes.
BK: There's a witch in the doorway.
JK: I really dug Desi's outfit. Denim on denim on the hipster guy is very attractive.
EW: Desi would be Adam's co-star on Broadway.
RS: He looks like a skinnier, scruffier James McAvoy.
BK: Yeah! I would like his face on the graph.
RS: We already mentioned this, but I loved Hannah's new paycheck dress. It was bright and cheery.
EW: She looked great, she was smiling. I feel like I still feel like that every other Thursday. I'm skipping down the road ready to buy some clothes.
JK: It's a surprise every time it comes, even though I know I'm employed.
EW: I'm like, "Oh my God, they pay me to do this!" It was cool to see because I remember feeling like that. It brought me back.
BK: Marnie and Ray. Down. Way down.
JK: Fornicating no mo'.
EW: Girlfriend got dumped bad. By a dude who she didn't want to be with in the first place.
RS: In my opinion, it's really Marnie who has the Down because good for Ray. He knew he wanted more out of this. I feel for her, because it's such a defense mechanism when she immediately starts going, "I don't care."
JK: Super Mean Girl.
RS: It's the equivalent of, "You can't fire me! I quit!"
EW: My favorite line was, "Well, I wouldn't eat pizza in front of you if I really liked you."
RS: I'm sure it's not giving Ray any second thoughts about making this move. It's totally hurtful to Marnie. Not just getting broken up with, but getting broken up with by a guy who you thought was beneath you.
EW: But isn't that what always happens?
EW: No? Just to me? … Anyway, Up we had Hannah and Adam because they had such a nice, touching, tender moment. They took a bath in this beautiful hotel, and that's always fun, to take a bath with a boy.
JK: They declared their love for each other.
RS: The thing that really reassured me about it was that it was prefaced by Hannah confessing her fears to Adam.
JK: It was very adult.
RS: It was so adult and so mature. She was very sincere about it. I loved how she was like, "Patti LuPone has been fucking with my head!" That's a hilarious name drop to say in that context. I was afraid she would bottle up these fears, and it would explode three episodes from now. She tackled it head-on; Adam asked if she was not happy for him, and she was able to really, genuinely affirm: "I'm happy because you're happy because I love you." And that's really what you want from your significant other. That level of support and affirmation.
JK: Hannah had an amazing line about Adam when she was talking to Patti LuPone: That he's the most mature person she's ever met and also has not yet been born.
RS: That was the perfect encapsulation of Adam. Because sometimes he's such an infant.
BK: Literally grunting.
JK: Pure instinct. Like a child, but also very deep and soulful.
RS: She gets him. They're right for each other.