Russian Lawyer Says She Didn't Have Clinton Campaign Info but That Trump Jr. "Wanted It So Badly"
Natalia Veselnitskaya said on Tuesday's 'Today' show that she received a phone call from a man she didn't know and that she has never worked for the Russian government.
A Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump's eldest son during the presidential campaign said she was summoned to Trump Tower and asked if she had damaging information on Hillary Clinton, painting a very different picture of the encounter from the one that Donald Trump Jr. has described.
Trump Jr. has said his June 2016 meeting with attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya was arranged through an acquaintance so that he could hear information helpful to the Trump campaign. Distancing himself from the source of the information, he has said he didn't even know the name of the person he was to meet with in advance.
The dueling depictions of the meeting, arranged just after Trump had clinched the Republican nomination, come as congressional committees and Special Counsel Robert Mueller investigate whether Trump campaign associates and Russia coordinated to tip the election in Trump's favor. Though neither Veselnitskaya nor Trump Jr. has described the meeting as fruitful, it'll likely be dissected by investigators trying to determine whether collusion took place.
In an interview that aired Tuesday on NBC's Today, Veselnitskaya said she received a phone call from a man she didn't know and was told to meet with Trump Jr. She said she didn't have information on the Clinton campaign and has never worked for the Russian government
"All I knew was that Donald Trump Jr. was willing to meet with me," she said through a translator.
On Clinton, she said: "It's quite possible that maybe they were looking for information. They wanted it so badly."
The interview was Veselnitskaya's first public comment since Trump Jr. acknowledged that he made time for the meeting hoping to get information on Clinton, his father's Democratic presidential opponent. The president's son has said the meeting was arranged by an acquaintance he knew through the 2013 Miss Universe pageant Trump held in Moscow.
On Monday, Trump Jr. tweeted sarcastically: "Obviously I'm the first person on a campaign to ever take a meeting to hear info about an opponent...went nowhere but had to listen."
According to the NBC interview, Veselnitskaya suggested she didn't initiate the meeting; she says she was lobbying against U.S. sanctions affecting Moscow but wasn't acting on behalf of the Kremlin.
She said Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law, also attended the meeting but left after a few minutes. Paul Manafort, then Trump's campaign chairman, was there, too, but never participated and spent much of the meeting on his phone, she said. It wasn't clear from the NBC report who in the meeting asked her for information on Clinton.
The circumstances surrounding the meeting, and a report by The New York Times late Monday that Trump Jr. was told ahead of time that the Russian government was the source of damaging information on Clinton, have fueled new questions about the Trump campaign's possible ties to Moscow.
The Times reported that Trump Jr., who was a key campaign adviser to his father, was told the Russian government was behind the information on Clinton in an email from music publicist Rob Goldstone. The Times cited three unnamed people with knowledge of the email.
Goldstone spoke to the Associated Press earlier Monday to confirm he had set up the meeting on behalf of his client, Emin Agalarov, but he did not disclose the contents of the email described by the Times. Goldstone did not immediately respond to attempts to contact him Monday night.
In a statement, Trump Jr.'s New York-based attorney Alan Futerfas called the Times report "much ado about nothing," though he acknowledged his client had received an email from Goldstone to set up a meeting with the purpose of passing along damaging information on Clinton. His statement did not dispute the Times report on the email.
Futerfas said Trump Jr. was not told the specifics of the information and nothing came of the meeting. "The bottom line is that Don, Jr. did nothing wrong," Futerfas said in the statement, noting that the younger Trump hasn't been contacted by any congressional panel or Mueller's office.
The White House referred questions to the president's son. Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Donald Trump's outside legal team, would not comment on the Times story, reiterating only that Trump "was not aware of and did not attend the meeting."
Trump Jr. also said on Twitter he was willing to work with the Senate intelligence committee, one of the panels probing possible campaign collusion, "to pass on what I know."
On Tuesday, Trump Jr. released an additional statement, along with what he says is the full e-mail chain of his correspondence on the Russian meeting. He described the context and timeline of the email chain and said the meeting took place before the "current Russian fever was in vogue."
Lawmakers on the committee from both parties said they wanted to talk with the president's son. Rep. Adam Schiff told CNN the report, if true, represents "an offer by the Russian government to help interfere in the American election on behalf of one of the candidates" and the first time "the inner circle of the Trump family...have direct contact with the Russians promising" information on Clinton.
Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said the panel "needs to interview him and others who attended the meeting."
The sequence of events that led to the June 2016 meeting highlighted the tangled web of relationships that investigators now are sorting through.
In the interview with the AP, Goldstone confirmed he set up the meeting on behalf of Agalarov. Goldstone said the Russian lawyer, Veselnitskaya, stated that she had information about purported illegal campaign contributions to the Democratic National Committee that she thought Trump Jr. might find helpful.
Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin, said Monday the Kremlin doesn't know Veselnitskaya and "cannot keep track" of every Russian lawyer who holds meetings in Russia or abroad. Although she has not been publicly linked with the Russian government itself, Veselnitskaya represented the son of a vice president of state-owned Russian Railways in a New York money-laundering case settled in May before a trial.