Trevor Noah and Tomi Lahren Have Respectful, Heated Debate About Race, Politics, Trump
"For somebody who's not racist, you have to spend a lot of time a lot of time saying, 'I'm not racist,'" Noah told Lahren.
Trevor Noah invited TheBlaze's Tomi Lahren to Wednesday's The Daily Show for a lengthy debate on policy, protests and the new president-elect.
The host began the segment by playing clips of Lahren hurling a slew of insults against people protesting Donald Trump after the election, including Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street supporters, calling them "crybabies with nothing better to do."
“Why are you so angry?” asked Noah. “I’m actually not that angry,” said Lahren. “It’s just that there are things that need to be said, Trevor, and a lot of people are afraid to say them.”
A lot of the conversation touched on race. "For somebody who's not racist, you have to spend a lot of time a lot of time saying, 'I'm not racist,'" said Noah.
"To me, true diversity is diversity of thought, not diversity of color," said Lahren, in a different part of the 26-minute interview, only part of which aired on Comedy Central. "I don't see color." The audience audibly reacted to that statement as she continued, "I go after Hillary Clinton, and she's as white as they come."
“You don’t see color? So what do you do at a traffic light?” deadpanned Noah, before more seriously adding, "I don't believe in that at all, when people say that. There’s nothing wrong with seeing color, it’s how you treat color that’s important.”
Noah asked Lahren what her biggest issue with the Black Lives Matter movement was, and she said she lost respect when "protesting turned into rioting, looting and burning and militant actions." Noah responded that rioting and looting also happens when sports teams win championships, but nobody blames the entirety of sports fans. He consistently asked her to distinguish between a movement and the people in the movement, at one time using Lahren's logic to make counterarguments.
The Daily Show host asked Lahren what she wished people with opposing viewpoints would understand about her.
"I wish that we could disagree with each other without thinking we are bad people or ill-intentioned folks," she replied. "Because I criticized a black person or the Black Lives Matter movement that doesn't mean that I am anti-black. It doesn't mean I don't like black people or that I'm racist."
Lahren and Noah argued over whether she was becoming a part of the mainstream media now that "her side" won the election. They also talked about the KKK, Trump's groping comments and Lahren's criticism of Colin Kaepernick's protest.
"Here's a black man in America who says, 'I don't know how to get a message across. If I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug. If I go out and I protest, people say it's a riot,'" said Noah. "What's the right way for a black person to get attention in America?"
Lahren spoke about disrespecting the flag and the anthem and how she agrees with Kaepernick's right to protest but doesn't agree with how he does it. So Noah pressed, repeatedly asking her, "How should a black person bring up their grievances? I just want to know if you've ever thought of the how."
Lahren dodged the answer, although she offered to have Kaepernick on her TV show to explain to her what he means when he says black people are oppressed in America.
As the interview wrapped up, Noah asked that now that Trump has won and "liberal snowflakes are melting in the street as they protest," does Lahren believe he will follow through on his promises? "I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't," she responded. The debate ended on an awkward note though, when Lahren spoke about the things that Trump was saying on the campaign that touched people.
"He was touching people," joked Noah. "Hillary could use some of that every now and then, right?" responded Lahren. She then said in a sing-song voice, "Bill's a little busy, Bill's a little busy." Noah chose to ignore her final statements and shook her hand, thanking her for being on the show.
The conversation continued on Twitter. At first Lahren seemed to take issue with The Daily Show only airing six minutes of her 26-minute interview. However, the full debate was posted online and Noah and Lahren exchanged pleasantries on Thursday. Lahren also added a swipe at Kaepernick for not voting, saying voting is one way black people should "object to a perceived system of oppression."
If I was a liberal snowflake I would complain @TheDailyShow wasn't "fair." Instead I stand my ground & take it. 6 of 26 min interview aired— Tomi Lahren (@TomiLahren) December 1, 2016
Thank you for being my guest Tomi. Our goal should be to destroy these "bubbles" not each other. You're always welcome on my show. https://t.co/AairL3cdAy— Trevor Noah (@Trevornoah) December 1, 2016
To my fans: Trevor Noah is not a douche or a jerk. To Trevor's fans: I'm not a bitch or c*nt. We are people with opposing views. That's it.— Tomi Lahren (@TomiLahren) December 1, 2016
I'll answer your ?..how should a black person object to a perceived system of oppression? Voting would be a good start. Right Colin?— Tomi Lahren (@TomiLahren) December 1, 2016