'When They See Us' Editors Talk Time-Jump Structure and the Importance of Getting the Story Right

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Ava DuVernay's When They See Us relates the true story of the five young men falsely accused and found guilty of a crime they did not commit in 1989, the Central Park jogger rape. Divided into four parts, the Netflix limited series, which premiered May 31, captures the unjust treatment they faced at the hands of the criminal justice system and the toll it took on them and their families. Two editors who worked on the drama, Terilyn Shropshire and Michelle Tesoro, spoke to THR about how they tied together the boys' journeys from childhood to adulthood and the ultimate goal of honoring the realities of their stories.

What approach did you discuss with Ava as you started the production?

TERILYN SHROPSHIRE In Part One, we want you to see Antron, Kevin, Korey, Raymond and Yusef living their day as anyone's son or brother; among friends and family until the moment their boyhood is obliterated over the course of a 30-hour police interrogation. Ava and I discussed the importance of reflecting the unrelenting intensity and pressure each boy endured during his individual interrogation while showing the collective despair of all five and the impact on each of their families. In Part One, we knew we were creating the tone and setting the emotional stakes for the audience to want to take the entire journey with our characters.

How did the storytelling evolve in the edit?

SHROPSHIRE Creating the narrative structure of the interrogations was the most challenging and, ultimately, rewarding part of the editorial process in Part One. In the original script, each boy's questioning unfolded in a more linear timeline. As Ava and I started to work on those scenes, it became immediately apparent that it was essential to show how each boy's interrogation had a cause-and-effect interconnection to the fate of the others as the detectives broke them down to implicate and build the case against them all.

What was most challenging in Part Three?

MICHELLE TESORO Maintaining emotional connection to each boy's experience throughout the episode, which in our case meant challenging the original structure of the entire episode. The initial structure as scripted began with Raymond, Antron, Yusef and Kevin as boys at the juvenile detention center, then goes back to seeing young Raymond in prison talking with his father on the phone, which transitions through to older Raymond's prison release, and after that meeting Antron, Yusef and Kevin as adults out of prison. With the exception of Raymond, Ava felt we were losing the emotional connection to the other boys' transitions to men. Ava and I worked through about four or five different restructures before we settled on one, where we jump in on a moment with each boy and their family when they are in prison, immediately followed by a scene where we see them as men and what their life is like after prison — similar to how we transitioned young Raymond to older Raymond.

Since the other stories of the boys were not shot that way, we had to find and create transitions from existing footage. For example, transitioning young Antron and his mother, Linda, in the visitation room, to older Antron released from prison greeted by Linda. I went off her voiceover, "You free, I'm free; you and me. Always," to a B-roll shot of prison barbed-wire, which racks to fluttering fall leaves that are the same leaves that are in the background in the next shot of Linda waiting on a park bench. We cut to the back of a man walking through a barbed-wire gate as he approaches her. The camera comes around to reveal this "new person," who we now understand is grown-up Antron.

How would you sum up your ultimate goal on the project?

SHROPSHIRE The ultimate goal was to honor the real men who lived the reality of the story we were entrusted to tell; we had to get it right. My most important mission was to know that when the real Antron, Kevin, Korey, Raymond and Yusef watched their incredible story reflected on the screen in front of them, we honored them.

Interview edited for length and clarity.


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This story first appeared in a June stand-alone issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine. To receive the magazine, click here to subscribe.