Goop kicked off its podcast series today with a conversation between Gwyneth Paltrow and her first guest, media mogul Oprah Winfrey (not too shabby). The two chatted for well over an hour about everything from transcendental meditation to run-ins with Harvey Weinstein, as well as their experiences being lightning rods for tabloid scandals.
“I’ve lived, as you have lived, every other week in the tabloids,” said Winfrey, referencing negative publicity she received for the perceived “Church of Oprah” or critics of her rumored 2020 presidential run. “I was always glad when you were on [them],” she joked to Paltrow.
“To take the heat off you?” Paltrow — who has had her fair share of Goop-related controversies — replied dryly. “Thanks.”
“I’m always glad when someone else is on [the tabloids],” Winfrey continued. “Like, ‘Oh thank God it’s not me this week!” She revealed that unflattering media coverage was also one of the reasons she stopped making public appearances with longtime beau Stedman Graham. “I realized that every time there’s a new photograph, there’s a new story. It’s an invitation,” she said.
Winfrey also offered her two cents about posting on social media. (She has 41.9 million followers on Twitter and 13.6 million on Instagram.)
“I feel like there is responsibility when you were speaking to millions of people,” said Winfrey. “You owe that some thought. It’s why I’m very, very careful on social media. I don’t think it’s the best forum for expressing the deepest parts of yourself. So I’m careful about what I say, what I don’t say and how it can be interpreted, because I think words matter and have such great power, lasting power.”
The Wrinkle in Time star revealed similarities between her character (a supernatural being called Mrs. Which) in Disney’s film adaptation of Madeleine L’Engle’s 1962 book and her friend and mentor, the late poet Maya Angelou.
“She was the embodiment, in physical form, of this character … this celestial, wise, through-millennia angel woman,” she said. “She was the mother figure for me. … I needed a mother like Maya to mentor me through the fame process. She was my comfort, she was my nurturer, she was the person who was saying, ‘You can do it, babe. You can do it.'”
To listen to the entire conversation between Paltrow and Winfrey in the first episode of Goop‘s podcast, click here. Podcasts will be released every Thursday morning.