'Girls' Boss on Hannah and Marnie's Romantic Futures, Season 5 and Beyond

Girls S04E10 Still 2 - H 2015
Mark Schafer

Girls S04E10 Still 2 - H 2015

[Warning: The following story contains spoilers about Girls' fourth-season finale.]

Girls ended its fourth season Sunday night with Hannah (Lena Dunham), Marnie (Allison Williams), Shoshanna (Zosia Mamet) and Jessa (Jemima Kirke) moving in new directions and not letting the men in their lives hold them back.

Hannah rejected Adam's (Adam Driver) offer to get back together, crying as she told him, "I can't do that." Instead she was seen, six months later, in a seemingly blissful relationship with Fran (Jake Lacy), someone that Girls co-showrunner Jenni Konner tells The Hollywood Reporter fans will see more of in season five.

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"I mean, HBO may murder me, but I feel like I'm allowed to say 'yes,'" Konner says. "I think they work together. And I think the coda was showing that there's something going on, and they're moving forward."

Elsewhere in the Girls universe, Marnie was abandoned by her fiancé, Desi (Ebon Moss-Bachrach), at their record-label showcase, but Konner hints this might not be the end for the musical couple. Shoshanna finally got a job — in Japan. She considered staying in New York to continue her relationship with her instant-soup-mogul boyfriend Scott (Jason Ritter). But she ultimately heeded the advice of Sheryl Sandberg, conveyed through Cafe Grumpy boss Hermie (Colin Quinn) and "lean[ed] the f— in," deciding to go to Tokyo.

Jessa, meanwhile, finished the season by deciding to become a therapist after her advice helped Adam's sister Caroline (Gaby Hoffman).

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THR talked to Konner about the finale's big moments and what the future holds for Girls' main characters and the show as a whole.

There was that big moment with Adam and Hannah, and she decides not to take him back. Why did you feel like that was the right move for Hannah? We've ended the seasons a lot on 'now they're together, now they're apart.' The whole idea of this season was for the characters to grow a little bit. Try to grow up and try to make some choices. Shoshanna's going to Japan, and Jessa's going to be a therapist. We know these girls, and we know that it won't necessarily last forever — any of those choices because they're young and they can be wishy-washy. But I think it was just time for her to try life without Adam, and I think it was a real show of strength on her part. It's an exciting place to see her in for that reason.

What about Hannah's career? She decided this season that she didn't want to be a writer any more and was teaching. Do you think she's going to continue teaching or is she still sort of figuring things out? I think she's figuring things out. I think she'll stay at the school for a little bit. We're honestly not exactly sure because we're just now writing the fifth season, but we really loved the school, and we loved all the kids at the school. It's a great setting. It's very much like the high school that Lena went to, so she has a lot of connection to it. I would venture to say we'll wind up back there.

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How will Desi missing that showcase affect his relationship with Marnie? You know Marnie. She doesn't let things go that easily in general. So I can't imagine that's the last time we ever see him.

So you don't think it's over for them now? It's not over in some capacity. But I think Ray (Alex Karpovsky) scared the shit out of him and made him feel really terrible. He got scared to go through with that performance, but I don't think it's the last we'll see of him.

You mentioned Shoshanna going to Japan and these girls moving forward. And when Shoshanna decides to go to Japan, you had that great moment where Colin Quinn relayed Sheryl Sandberg's "lean in" advice. There were a lot of "lean in" moments in the episode with these girls moving forward on their own. Was that an intentional message you wanted to get across with this episode? We've gotten pretty deep with Sheryl Sandberg, and she's a real hero of ours. Aside from the Colin Quinn conversation, which I think was Judd's idea, but it's hard for me to remember by the end. Sheryl Sandberg's ideas and philanthropy have kind of seeped into our subconscious. So I don't think it was especially calculated. I think she has a hold on us creatively and she's in the back of our minds a lot.

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What about Shoshanna? Will we see her in Japan? We said we were going to Iowa and we went to Iowa. I can't make you any promises. We try not to say someone's moving somewhere and then take it back.

With season five coming up, have you and Lena thought about an end game? I would say season five — I'm hoping, will really inform how much further we want to go. Once we figure out what season five is, we'll know whether it's another year. Maybe it's just one more year, maybe we wrap it up in six. It all depends. But also we're not in the business of running it into the ground. We would like to end in a graceful place. And we'd like to tell a complete story. What that means is that we really have to start building towards an end soon, creatively.

Anything else you can say about season five? We'll keep exploring Tad (Peter Scolari) and [Loreen]'s (Becky Ann Baker) story. We have a lot of friends whose parents came out later in life and it's not that clean of a choice or that simple of a choice. It can be terrifying, and I think we're trying to do a realistic version of Tad trying to figure out what he wants and what he's afraid of and how brave he is. So there will be more exploration of that, and Peter and Becky have done so beautifully in this story that I just really want to see more from them. Elijah (Andrew Rannells), of course, we'll spend a lot of time with. We love him. The usual cast of characters. And hopefully more Gaby Hoffman, who f—ing killed it this year, and more Jon Glaser (Laird), who we love, and more Rita Wilson (Marnie's mom), our lovely guest stars. And who knows who else will be coming up?

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