Larry Ellison Slams Google, Remembers Steve Jobs (Video)

Larry Ellison during his interview with Charlie Rose

The Oracle CEO bashes Larry Page and Co. for "taking our stuff" and reflects on the pain the Apple head felt before he died.

Oracle CEO Larry Ellison sat down for a rare interview with CBS This Morning host Charlie Rose.

During their wide-ranging chat at Ellison's compound south of San Francisco, the country's third richest man discussed Apple, his late friend Steve Jobs, Oracle's legal battle with Google and the NSA's surveillance program.

Ellison slammed Google CEO Larry Page, whom he claims "makes the decisions over there," for using Oracle's programming language without their permission, currently the subject of the two companies' dispute.

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"When you write a program for the android phone, you write it. You use the Oracle tool, Oracle Java tools, for everything. And at the very end, you press a button that says, 'Convert this to android format,'" Ellison says, explaining his firm's issue with Google."

He adds: "We just think they took our stuff and that was wrong."

Even though Page has a "Don't Be Evil" motto, Ellison says, "what they did was -- was -- absolutely evil."

Ellison, who was best friends with Steve Jobs for 25 years, also claims Apple will suffer without its longtime leader.

"He's irreplaceable," Ellison says. "They will not be nearly so successful because he's gone."

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The Oracle CEO also talked about the pain Jobs felt towards the end of his life as "the cancer wore him out," and he decided to stop taking his medication just a few days before he died.

"He was just tired of fighting, tired of the pain," Ellison explained.

Ellison also defended the NSA surveillance program, saying, "It's essential if ... we want to minimize the kind of strikes that we just had in Boston. It's absolutely essential."

Watch the first part of Ellison's interview with Rose below.